gogs, hwntws dialects map.

[sianco]

Ohh?

With pronunciation like ma' - ffa'lu?

No, with pronunciation like English "may" - faylee

[Jashwntw]

I have always been told Welsh is coherent and phonetic. It is neither

[Brychan]

I have also been taught Ffili rather than methu. However I just foundo out ffili is confined to only some parts of S Wales

Pallu is quite a common word for 'methu' which i thought was more typical of north Wales. I'm sure pallu is Southern Welsh but i don't know if its restricted geographically there with some areas using ffilu/ffaelu, others pallu and others using both forms.

Wi'n pallu dod heno - i can't come tonight
wi'n pallu byta cabij - ma'n ela fi'n dost - i can't eat cabbge, it makes me sick

I've just thought and you would say ffilu arholiad (to fail an exam) - you can't say pallu there, so i guess where palllu is used, you also get ffilu or perhaps methu although that still strikes me as north walian..

[sianco]

I have also been taught Ffili rather than methu. However I just foundo out ffili is confined to only some parts of S Wales

Pallu is quite a common word for 'methu' which i thought was more typical of north Wales. I'm sure pallu is Southern Welsh but i don't know if its restricted geographically there with some areas using ffilu/ffaelu, others pallu and others using both forms.

Wi'n pallu dod heno - i can't come tonight
wi'n pallu byta cabij - ma'n ela fi'n dost - i can't eat cabbge, it makes me sick

I've just thought and you would say ffilu arholiad (to fail an exam) - you can't say pallu there, so i guess where palllu is used, you also get ffilu or perhaps methu although that still strikes me as north walian..

I think "pallu" for "to fail / not to be able to do something" is quite recent, if it is used at all. The usual meaning of "pallu" is "to refuse". My mother was a teacher and I remember her coming home one day and saying a little girl had said "Fi'n pallu neud e" i.e. "I won't do it/I refuse to do it" where she meant "Fi'n ffaelu neud e".

Perhaps they say it further down south - but what would they say there for "refuse"?

[Brychan]

It's probably South Wales then because it's quite common and i don't think it's recent - you should do a facebook poll and i bet it's used in the same areas as carcus, nage etc

I would say odd i'n pallu dod for she couldn't come, although something like ni wedi cwmpo mas ac ma'n pallu sharad afi nawr - i suppose that would be translated as - we've fallen out and she refuses/won't/can't talk to me now.

I would understand fi'n pallu neud e to mean i can't do it - if you was going to say i refuse to do it wouldn't she just say -sai'n neud e!

[Jashwntw]

Fi? Do you come from the favelas and slums too Brychan?

[Brychan]

Fi? Do you come from the favelas and slums too Brychan?

I was quoting the previous post from Sianco where she claims 'fi'n pallu neud e' means i refuse to do it - she's wrong of course

Unfortunately some of the family do have links with the favelas and slums but the less said about them the better

[Jashwntw]

Would you class pobl y cwm as slum dwellers too? I hope my family weren't from any slum
Whitland is a town almost bordering on Pembrokeshire. Do you think maybe they would have been influenced by Pembrokeshire welsh Then again, I think it's more north Pembrokeshire that speaks different from what I've read.

[Brychan]

Would you class pobl y cwm as slum dwellers too? I hope my family weren't from any slum
Whitland is a town almost bordering on Pembrokeshire. Do you think maybe they would have been influenced by Pembrokeshire welsh Then again, I think it's more north Pembrokeshire that speaks different from what I've read.

No the villagers of pobol y cwm live in a studio set in Cardiff and earn shitloads of money so they are quite posh.

I would think North pembrokeshire welsh is probably the dialect which differs most from standard Welsh in pronounciation and most certainly the most striking:

coed would be pronounced cwed in certain parts and likewise:
oes > wes
oedd > we
ddoe > dwe
troed > trwed