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[Jashwntw]

Cwestiwn newydd da fi. Pa un ych chi'n defnyddio rhwng mwynhau a joio?

New question. Which would you use between mwynhau and joio?
Is there a North/South tendency to choose one or the other?

Diolch yn fawr

[Brychan]

I think the word 'joio' is confined to Southern Welsh although even there its use is more a matter of register with joio being the informal spoken version and mwynhau being more formal language.

[sianco]

Cwestiwn newydd da fi. Pa un ych chi'n defnyddio rhwng mwynhau a joio?

New question. Which would you use between mwynhau and joio?
Is there a North/South tendency to choose one or the other?

Diolch yn fawr

I think I use both about equally - depends who I'm talking to and about what.
"Wnes i fwynhau Cofiant Kate Roberts"
"Joies i Gwaith/Cartref heno"

"Joio" is mostly used in the south. They're more likely to say "enjoio" in the North.

In the south they say "joio mas draw" for "really enjoying yourself". Some people say "mwynhau mas draw" to make it sound posh - but that's a bit cringeworthy!!

[Siomedig]

Interesting! I thought joio was a northwestern thing. All of my friends from Nefyn (they're all about 18-19 so it's possible they've heard it on the TV) use it.

[sianco]

Interesting! I thought joio was a northwestern thing. All of my friends from Nefyn (they're all about 18-19 so it's possible they've heard it on the TV) use it.

You're right. My daughter's just said she'd say "joio" rather than "enjoio" e.g. "Joia dy ddiwrnod".
How did I never notice that?!

[Jashwntw]

Sianco, maybe you can enlighten me on some of the west carmathenshire dialect features?

I read from another thread that bennu (dibennu) is common for to finish. I also notice there is a menter gorllewin sir gar to promote local welsh usage in that area.

[sianco]

Interesting! I thought joio was a northwestern thing. All of my friends from Nefyn (they're all about 18-19 so it's possible they've heard it on the TV) use it.

You're right. My daughter (16) has just said she'd say "joio" rather than "enjoio" e.g. "Joia dy ddiwrnod".
How did I never notice that?!

However, my husband (always lived in the north west) says he would use "mwynhau" mainly but "enjoio" occasionally and never "joio"

[Jashwntw]

It would be really nice to find a list of typical words used in the west carmarthenshire dialect. I can't find one. Plenty on Pembrokeshire dialect though

[Jashwntw]

In Heini Gruffudd's Live Welsh he has

Rhaid i fi fynd
Ma'n well i fi...
Ma'n bryd i fi...

I must go
I'd better...
It's time for me...

Is it common in natural speech to drop the ma' in ma' rhaid i fi?

[sianco]

In Heini Gruffudd's Live Welsh he has

Rhaid i fi fynd
Ma'n well i fi...
Ma'n bryd i fi...

I must go
I'd better...
It's time for me...

Is it common in natural speech to drop the ma' in ma' rhaid i fi?

Mae'n rhaid i mi fynd
Mae rhaid i mi fynd and
Rhaid i mi fynd
are all correct for different reasons

[Jashwntw]

Ok. Perhaps you can explain number 1 and 3 particularly

[Siomedig]

mae'n rhaid is weird (you can't say bydd yn rhaid) but I guess is by analogy with e.g. mae'n well i fi. Rhaid i fi is simple dropping of the mae (you can also say e.g. well i mi fynd).

[Jashwntw]

Is it yn or hi'n

Heini puts mae'n ... O gloch

Could it not be mae hi'n well i fi fynd?

Probably makes no sense either

[Jashwntw]

Good guess me


http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/catchphrase/ ... on-111.pdf

Ma' well i fi fynd - I'd better go
Ma'n well i fi fynd - It's best that I go

I liked...

Ma'n hen bryd iddyn nhw dyfu lan

[Siomedig]

That might be the etymology of the pattern but I don't think anyone actually says it.