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Tad or Dad

Postby curious2 on Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:54 pm

Is it common in Wales for Welsh speaking and/or English speaking children to call their father Tad instead of Dad ? I Know welsh children often call their grandfather Tad-cu (in South W) but am just curious if Tad is used alot.
Or are there any other common Tad alternatives in use?

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Re: Tad or Dad

Postby Sionned on Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:58 pm

Well, Tad is the Welsh word for father, so it is entirely reasonable for Welsh-speaking children to call their father "Tad", anyway. I don't know about English-speaking children in Wales.
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Re: Tad or Dad

Postby Mynwy on Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:33 pm

yes, Tad or Tada (daddy) is the norm, certainly for children of Welsh speaking parents. you will hear Dad in certain sentences because there are occasions in Welsh when the t becomes a d
e.g. prynais i hwn am Dad (I bought this for Dad)
but actually, they are still using Tad, not saying Dad as an English word.
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Re: Tad or Dad

Postby sianco on Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:01 am

I've never heard anyone calling their father "Tad" - and I've lived in three Welsh-speaking areas all my life.
"Dad", "Dadi" and, occasionally, "Tada" are the only ones I've heard
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Re: Tad or Dad

Postby Mynwy on Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:19 am

an oversight on my part, I should have said here in Gwynedd it's the norm. sorry, I was very tired last night when I posted. My apologies.
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Re: Tad or Dad

Postby sianco on Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:32 pm

Do you mean "Beth wyt ti isho i swper, Tad?" and "Ddwedais i wrth Tad bod y gath wedi marw" ?

My husband has never heard it and he's always lived in Gwynedd.

Is it a long "a" like in "tad" ("father") - "Mae tad Siôn wedi torri ei goes" or a short or a short one as in "Dad" - "Mae dy ginio di'n barod, Dad" ?

When I was small, living in south west Wales, I was jealous of children in the north who called their father "Dad". The choice we had was "Dat" which sounded old-fashioned and country-bumpkinish and "Dadi" which sounded babyish. "Dad" was much more with-it!

Come to think of it, I wonder from where "Dad" has come from in English? It's more natural in Welsh - from "tad", but how did "father" become "Dad"? Is it because it's one of the first sounds babies make?

Anyway, I heard it went very well on Saturday night, Mynwy - no wonder you were tired!
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Re: Tad or Dad

Postby Cefin gwlad on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:28 pm

sianco wrote:Come to think of it, I wonder from where "Dad" has come from in English? It's more natural in Welsh - from "tad", but how did "father" become "Dad"? Is it because it's one of the first sounds babies make?
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The Online Etymology Dictionary notes that dad is first recorded in written English from from 1500, but is almost certainly much older:
from child's speech, nearly universal and probably prehistoric (cf. Welsh tad, Ir. daid, Czech, L., Gk. tata, Lith. tete, Skt. tatah all of the same meaning).
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Re: Tad or Dad

Postby sianco on Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:41 pm

Aha - that's right!

Also: Compact Oxford English Dictionary:
— ORIGIN perhaps imitative of a child’s first syllables da, da.

I never thought it was fair that the children always said "dad" before "mam"! :D

It also appears that "tat-" was used for "father" in Indo-European, long, long ago.
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Re: Tad or Dad

Postby Cefin gwlad on Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:19 pm

sianco wrote:I never thought it was fair that the children always said "dad" before "mam"! :D

They may say "dad(a)", but "mam(a)" is what babies vocalize long before they can talk -- when feeding at their mothers' breast: hence mamma (Latin for breast), mammal, and all the rest of the associated words.
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