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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby Jashwntw on Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:53 am

How about this. It's just me storming in to try and simplify the examples, but I will probably end up way off the mark :)

Rwy wedi mynd yn athro
I have become a teacher

Rwy'n gobeithio dod yn athro
I hope to become a teacher
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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby Sionned on Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:15 pm

garethrk wrote:I can see I'm going to have to add this to the MW, aren't I? :?

Ayup! :D
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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby garethrk on Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:23 pm

There goes the rest of my afternoon :?
Anyone got a piece of paper and a pencil?
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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby mrem01 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:18 am

garethrk wrote:There goes the rest of my afternoon :?
Anyone got a piece of paper and a pencil?


I have this hilarious image in my mind of a xenomorph sitting at a desk, furiously revising indices. Somehow I think this needs to make it into the next Prometheus movie.
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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby garethrk on Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:30 am

I expect Ridley will be on the phone any day now. 8)
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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby mrem01 on Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:54 pm

I just finished the last Blodwen Jones book, and now I'm really jonesing for that reader. Dw i'n jônsio? Does that make sense in Welsh?

I've been working through Intermediate Welsh and I'm seeing some weird things in the answer keys that don't seem right. Mostly minor stuff, like in Unit 3: Excerise 1 it says 'Use "fe" for AFF sentences', while the answer key doesn't have "fe". If you'd like, I can report back as I plug away at it. Just as long as you've got your flak jacket.
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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby Jashwntw on Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:00 am

Do you mean like Fe wna i nes 'mlaen ?

Is this heard in every day speech, as I assumed most people would drop it out of laziness? :roll:
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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby Siomedig on Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:18 am

Jashwntw wrote:Do you mean like Fe wna i nes 'mlaen ?

Is this heard in every day speech, as I assumed most people would drop it out of laziness? :roll:


Firstly, it's not 'laziness' that motivates people to drop sounds and so on. Secondly, many dialects do not have this particle at all (or have a different particle, e.g. mi). Thirdly, yes - it is heard in everyday speech, and is usually given in courses as a very marked and distinctive feature of Southern Welsh (as opposed to mi which is Northern) although this is not actually the case since many (most?) dialects do not use either or at the very least certainly do not use them as much as courses would suggest.
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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby Jashwntw on Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:44 am

I hope that more or less answers your question mrem01.

mrem01 wrote:...Excerise 1 it says 'Use "fe" for AFF sentences', while the answer key doesn't have "fe". If you'd like, I can report back as I plug away at it. Just as long as you've got your flak jacket.


Edit:

Statements

Fe fyddi di...
Fe wnei di...


Fyddi di? Wnei di? Will you?/Will you do?

answers: gwna(f)/bydda(f) or na wna(f)/na fydda(f)

I think :?
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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby Siomedig on Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:17 am

No, prescriptively at least these particles are used for statements. They are the equivalent to ni(d) and a in the negative and interrogative:

Fe wnest ti/Gwnest ti
(A) wnest ti?
(Ni) wnest ti (ddim)


Edit: and I imagine (although I don't know) that what this is referring to is e.g. fe yw'r gorau (not *e yw'r gorau), since the forms with f- are found initially.
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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby mrem01 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:46 pm

Sorry, what I meant was that Gareth's book says to use 'fe' in a particular exercise, but the answer key gives the answers without the 'fe'. Since he was asking about stuff missing from Modern Welsh here, I thought I'd let him know about this issue with Intermediate Welsh. For example:

"Turn these [bod] yn gallu sentences into galla i (etc.) ones. Use fe for AFF sentences:

1 Mae'r chwiorydd yn gallu aros gyda ni"

Then the answer key gives: "Gall y chwiorydd aros gyda ni", not "Fe all y chwiorydd aros gyda ni".

My guess is that if you've worked all the way through Basic Welsh, you'd know they're the same thing, but it's just something minor that could be fixed in a future edition.
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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby garethrk on Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:52 am

Thanks - noted! We are toying with the idea of a new edition at the moment.
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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby dieuog on Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:45 pm

If we're making suggestions for a new edition...
Gareth, one of the things I think is really ripping about Colloquial Welsh is the quantity of vocabulary included. Can I suggest a few extra and very useful items that could be squeezed in if possible in the future. (Perhaps they're there already, and I don't remember them!)
cael gwared a^/ar
estyn ("Wnei di estyn y menyn?")
cyffwrdd a^
Rhwng pob dwy ŵydd gŵydd
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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby garethrk on Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:52 pm

Excellent - keep suggestions coming!
I'd also like to hear of omissions from the index for the grammar - I know our friends Tahl and mrem01 have spotted some, but I'm sure there are more.

Sheldon-like, I have opened a file.
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Re: Rwy'n or rydw i

Postby Jashwntw on Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:13 pm

This one's going to be far more far fetched. In welsh grammars that have colloquial sections they usually feature a North/South section. Perhaps this could be expanded to Gogledd, De, Gorllewin and Canol? :oops:
You're bound to tell me that this is far to much for welsh learners to take in.
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