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Postby Aonghas on Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:45 pm

I have it in me head that the English No = Nag ydw

I am wrong however as the online dictionary lists Dim/na as = no

What of thoes dau, Dim/na should I be using for general "No" commands?
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Postby Cadwgan on Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:37 pm

There's no single way to answer yes or no. Ya got to repeat the !@#$ question.

"Nag ydw" translates to "no I don't" (nac ydw in writen Welsh) which is just the affirmitive answer with "nag" in front. In case you don't know, here's the affirmatives in the present tense:

ydw-------yes I am
wyt/ydych-----yes you do
ydy-----yes he/she does
ydych-----yes we do
yndyn----yes the do

Again, just add "nag" in front to form the negative response. I think "na" is just a causual way to say no in conversation. IMO, it's best to learn the affirmative, negative, and interrogative present-tenses of "bod" along with present-tense "yes/no" at the very begining of Welsh studies, so the obvious patterns are recognized and memorized MUCH easier.

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Postby Sioni on Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:00 pm

Almost right. :wink:

Ydw - Yes I am
Wyt - Yes you are (singular familiar)
Ydy - Yes he/he is
Ydyn - Yes we are
Ydych - Yes you are (polite singular and plural; and familiar plural)
Ydyn - Yes they are

Negative:
Nac ydw
Nac wyt
Nac ydy/ Nac yw
Nac ydyn
Nac ydych
Nac ydyn

As Cadwgan said, the 'nac' is pronounced 'nag' - and in everyday Welsh you can use 'Na'.

Then, of course,there are the other Tenses.
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Postby Cadwgan on Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:27 pm

Oh yeah, I messed up "yes we do." I always do that. Ydyn for both "yes we are" and "yes they are" breaks the pattern I was refering to.
A+ for effort, though.

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Postby Sioni on Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:51 pm

Cadwgan wrote:Oh yeah, I messed up "yes we do." I always do that. Ydyn for both "yes we are" and "yes they are" breaks the pattern I was refering to.
A+ for effort, though.

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Yep, A+. :wink:
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Postby Arwen on Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:05 am

Every time I see the Subject line of this thread I want to say "Yes". Too many years of Yellow Submarine, I guess. Image

Anyway, I have a heck of a time with yes/no. I understand the concept perfectly. Just can't seem to get the right response to go the with right answer.

For instance, if you asked if I was going to the concert. I would want to answer "Ydw" I am. But that wouldn't be right, would it? Or would it? :?
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Postby Sioni on Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:12 am

Arwen wrote:Every time I see the Subject line of this thread I want to say "Yes". Too many years of Yellow Submarine, I guess. Image

Anyway, I have a heck of a time with yes/no. I understand the concept perfectly. Just can't seem to get the right response to go the with right answer.

For instance, if you asked if I was going to the concert. I would want to answer "Ydw" I am. But that wouldn't be right, would it? Or would it? :?


Wyt ti'n mynd i'r gyngerdd? - Ydw.
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Postby Arwen on Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:25 am

Sioni wrote:
Arwen wrote:Every time I see the Subject line of this thread I want to say "Yes". Too many years of Yellow Submarine, I guess. Image

Anyway, I have a heck of a time with yes/no. I understand the concept perfectly. Just can't seem to get the right response to go the with right answer.

For instance, if you asked if I was going to the concert. I would want to answer "Ydw" I am. But that wouldn't be right, would it? Or would it? :?


Wyt ti'n mynd i'r gyngerdd? - Ydw.


Diolch!

I think I've just had a flash of insight as to why I haven't gotten this before. I think I see where I've been going wrong. Seems this is a good night for me and Welsh. :D
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Postby Aonghas on Sun Sep 11, 2005 6:28 am

Just another example of just how "beginner" I am... *sigh*

Wish the "catchphrase" series was easier tae follow fer a non-Wales born lad... (at least one that doesn't have the option of asking others short of this forum.) It tends tae be very confusing in giving alittle info about something but not enough tae actualy apply it tae speach, either writen or spoken. (And the audio is so fast almost all of it is a slur of one word intae the next. But I do realise distinction will come with time)
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Postby Aonghas on Sun Sep 11, 2005 6:29 am

P.S. Diolch tae Cadwgan, and Sioni fer the clarification. I was using Ydw as "yes" as opposed tae "Yes I am"
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Postby Cadwgan on Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:20 pm

Aonghas wrote:Just another example of just how "beginner" I am... *sigh*

Wish the "catchphrase" series was easier tae follow fer a non-Wales born lad... (at least one that doesn't have the option of asking others short of this forum.) It tends tae be very confusing in giving alittle info about something but not enough tae actualy apply it tae speach, either writen or spoken. (And the audio is so fast almost all of it is a slur of one word intae the next. But I do realise distinction will come with time)


You might try just scrapping Catchprase for the time being and study grammer rules exclusively. Catchprase and other programs like it are aimed at people just wanting coversational skills and situational phrases. At that rate, one could have every word in the Welsh dictionary memorized, but never be able to put a decent sentence of their own together when need be.

What I do, when learning vocabulary, is take ten words from a single catagory and practice them all week. Write them in English and look them up in a Welsh dictionary. One week I would do 10 common animals, then 10 common building names, 10 common occupations, 10 emotions, whatever. With nouns, I make sure to learn gender and the plural. This way of catagorizing words puts it in the memory much more efficiently, I think. Every week I feel like I really got something accomplished.

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Postby draigbach on Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:23 pm

I think a more general way to say yes is "ie". because there is: do, naddo, ydw, nac ydw, oes, nac oes...

of course there's always efallai (well, maybe...)

I wonder how the heck people *Ever* get married in Wales? it would take one so very long how to figure out which "yes" was "yes."

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Postby Cadwgan on Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:29 pm

draigbach wrote:I think a more general way to say yes is "ie". because there is: do, naddo, ydw, nac ydw, oes, nac oes...

of course there's always efallai (well, maybe...)

I wonder how the heck people *Ever* get married in Wales? it would take one so very long how to figure out which "yes" was "yes."

:shock:


Heh heh Yes, but it's equally difficult to say no.

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Postby Sioni on Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:55 pm

draigbach wrote:I think a more general way to say yes is "ie". because there is: do, naddo, ydw, nac ydw, oes, nac oes...

of course there's always efallai (well, maybe...)

I wonder how the heck people *Ever* get married in Wales? it would take one so very long how to figure out which "yes" was "yes."

:shock:


No. You can get away with 'Na', but you can't use 'Ã
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Postby Griffin on Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:56 pm

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Where in the messages above you said:

Wyt ti'n mynd i'r gyngerdd? - Ydw.

Wouldn't the answer have been 'Wyt' as you asked it in the Wyt ti'n form so therefore the answer back would be in the Wyt ti'n form which would be 'Wyt' or 'Nac wyt' or am I wrong, don't want to confuse the issue any more but that's what I was taught.
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